December 9th, unless I’ve lost track of a few dates, first hour of the afternoon lecture. We have today quite a little bit of coverage to do, because today we’re going to tie in several points now that we have covered ARC and Be, Have and Do, and all these cycles. And today we’re going to tie these into a first, a „What’s wrong with this universe,“ and second, a working package for an auditor.

This is the second hour, December the 9th, afternoon lecture.

Now, as you well know, there… there… there might possibly be something wrong uh… with the MEST universe. There might be something wrong with it. It’s an incredible thing that uh… anything could be built on a hundred and eighty degree reverse vector. Never give a win without giving a lose. Never let anybody get ahead unless they’re backwards.

Now, you may have found some of the data I was giving you perhaps, at this time, a little bit inapplicable, or you may have found it confusing, or you may have found it to your level of agreement, at this time, just a little bit outside of use. All I was trying to do was to impress upon you that:

Uh… I don’t know if you have heard a tape on game processing. I will cover game processing before I get out of here, try to at least. But uh… how do you set up a game? How do you set up a game that will just go on forever?

One, something is going on at all times with the preclear which is a push-pull of confusion; and that your best interest is not to fight the battle of this push-pull of confusion directly, because that is a snare and a delusion. And although it’s very convincing, you don’t get very far by addressing it.

Well, you say it’s one kind of a game and uh… lying right underneath that kind of a game you have an entirely different game going on. Now that’s set up this way. You very often find your preclear is suddenly turning up and he’s complaining that every time he goes into a between-lives area or something of this character, or what he calls that, he is saying that he’s… he… he’s being promised that if he just goes back one more time, why, the next time, why, he’ll practically be ruler of the universe, and all that sort of thing. And uh… this time he has to accomplish so-and-so and so-and-so. And they give him a very specific goal. And then what do you know. They booby trap it. They give him a very specific goal and then give him an aberration that makes it impossible to accomplish that goal.

Now, we had our highest – the high tide of the confederacy – with uh… Technique 88, on processing real facsimiles. W know more about that now, but processing locks, secondaries, engrams, flows, all of that sort of thing, done as itself, no. Not… you… you can get there by doing it that way but uh… you’re fighting a game which has got a win-lose in it. You’ll just move over into the area of creative processing and approximate these flows and things. Now, you have to know about flows and you have to know about energy behavior, you have to know about all these other things, and you know about all these other things, do creative processing. You’d approximate ‘em, do approximations. You have to know the beast in order to knock the beast flat.

Actually, who’s they? They are uh… people remarkably like thee and me, but uh… either just a little further down or a little further up on the tone scale, what you call a player, an assistant player. And the game divides down into players, assistant players, pieces, and broken pieces. These are actually the component parts of a very wide game. But you can actually take an E-Meter, take any preclear – they don’t know anything about past lives or between-lives or anything of the sort – you put them on the E-Meter and you say, „All right, do you have any basic goals?“

One of the things you have to know is you don’t… you… you don’t, by the way, after you’ve studied animals… Let’s… let’s say you’ve studied lions exhaustively. You know the habitats and uh… hobitats and happitats of a lion. You know all these things, and you don’t then go and be a lion. No, you would learn these things to either shoot him with a camera or to shoot him with a gun, or to make sure that uh… he didn’t uh… propagate quite as fast or that he propagated faster or that you could keep him this way and that. You wouldn’t be a lion.

And the fellow says, „Oh, I don’t know,“ the E-Meter goes bang!

Well, just look at this universe along that line. Uh… you study it, and then don’t go be a… a MEST universe. Uh… let’s look at it as though we were small game hunting; it’s actually a very small game. It looks big, but uh… any time you’ll pull the bottom drawer out and found no mystery in it, why, you can kind of dust your hands of the whole deal. It’s a wonderful piece of confusion. MEST is chaos; it’s chaos; it’s chaos with two vectors. It’s not complete chaos; it’s just chaos with two vectors. And one of ‘em is have and the other is have not.

And you say, „Well, now uh… at the beginning of this life did you have a certain job to do?“

Now, let’s look now, at flows, what we were going to talk about originally. Here is this big sprawling confusion, and the win-lose, and your preclear’s been rattled all over the time track and he’s still rattled. And your poor psycho, my God, he… he has… he has even lost present time to such a degree that he thinks he’s in some other time, and he’s very upset. But uh… he’s just upset because of these factors.

„Well, I… I kinda… kinda felt like it, but uh… uh… I’ve… I’ve often had the idea,“ and the E-meter’s going bang! bang!

Now, let’s look at flows. Let’s take the two terminals of an electric motor, and we’ll find these two electrodes are going alternately plus and minus, or in the case of a DC motor, you’re just getting a continuous one-directional flow.

And you say, „Did anybody tell you before you were born that you should do so-and-so and so-and-so?“ And the E-Meter will go off its pins.

All right. Here we have, though, a current flow which depends upon a plus terminal and a minus terminal, and they must be opposite. And if they are opposite and can be held apart, we get action, we get energy flowing. If they are the same, they slightly tend to repel each other. So therefore, it tells you that any cohesive piece of MEST that is staying together well, has in it minuses and pluses. It’s a great big ball of minus and plus stuff, all thrown together. Otherwise, it wouldn’t stay together.

All right, you start tracing this down and you find out that all his life this individual has been trying to accomplish this thing, trying to accomplish it; but he can’t accomplish it because he has an aberration that… now you can just trace it right there. What is the thing he has which does not permit him to accomplish this goal?

Now, you can take a… a magnet over here and uh… you… the plus poles of the magnet, if put in juxtaposition near each other, would uh… repel each other. But if you turn that magnet over and you get the plus over here and the minus over here, those two things come together. They attract each other. So, we’re going to get a piece of matter, then, which is sticking together well, such as tar: it contains a lot of pluses and a lot of minuses, and they are intermingled.

Of course this works out mechanically. You find out that an absolute’s unobtainable here; therefore if you had an absolute right, you would get the end of the universe. It just works out that way.

Now, pluses and minuses intermingle to the degree that you have cohesiveness. And cohesiveness is established by the uh… balances of the pluses and minuses, and this makes what’s called density. And of course, space must have collapsed between the terminals to bring a plus and minus together in a solid piece of matter. There couldn’t be any space between these terminals.

An absolute right would be a right on all eight dynamics, and if all eight dynamics were right, you would pass instantly into a static, and the universe would not be here anymore. And if you had an absolute wrong then all eight dynamics would be wrong and you would have the death of everything in the whole universe to have an absolute wrong.

Let’s take two electric motor terminals and they’re sitting up here, one’s plus and one’s minus. If we take the space out from between the two of ‘em, they come together, spat! That’s right, they’ll come right straight together. Even the juice isn’t going through them, the residual current as such, but they’ll pull each other together. And there they’ll be without any space between them.

So, it just works out mechanically, not paranoiacally, that uh… the individual who is given a basic goal in any between-lives area is also given much more abundantly the reasons he has to lose. And you will trace for any lifetime or for spirals or for the whole track, these various efforts to get something done. The pc definitely has the idea that he is an integral part of a large goal, that something is really trying to be done in this universe. And the most appalling, and upsetting thing in this universe is the fact that he has never at any time on the track been able to accomplish wholly one goal. Because every goal he has ever been given has a big lose tacked to it. You cannot win without losing; that’s this universe.

Now, let’s get this analogy. When your preclear is no longer able to maintain space, the plus-minus terminals come together on him and we find the preclear beginning to approximate matter. Everything is solid, the space around him feels sort of solid, he gets sort of solid. All of this proceeds from this principle of matter in the making. A preclear is in the best shape who can hold a negative facsimile and a positive facsimile beautifully and cleanly apart. He can hold ‘em apart with great ease.

Now let’s take a look at that and find out if the universe at large is more or less rigged on this basis, and in the meanwhile I invite you to do a little experimentation on the E-Meter with those principles.

He starts to be unable to locate these facsimiles or establish them in space anymore; when this capability leaves him, he gets lost. And the penalty of getting lost about this, in terms of energy, is to have the plus-minus terminals and facsimiles in one’s field start collapsing. And the final end of this is to become a cohesion of matter, unable to locate anything in time and space. Got that?

Uh… it’s… it’s… it’s just horrible, I mean this couldn’t happen to somebody. I mean he’s given the basic goal: at this time he ought to get something done and they… all kinds of specious statements have been made and this time he’s decided… You’re awfully… looking awfully gloomy. Don’t tell me that I’m hitting… hitting home with this.

It’s loss of space, then, which makes matter. Loss of interval between the plus and minus particles. And as that interval decreases and decreases and decreases, the object is more and more solid.

Well, his… his whole modus operandi keeps getting jammed and he can’t quite figure out why this is. Well, he’ll jam it himself. You watch this odd phenomenon of a fellow going right straight toward a goal and he’s just evidently succeeding beautifully on this goal and then the next thing you know, bong! He’s wrecked his car or he’s… he’s thrown something in there. There’s something weird has entered in suddenly that kept him from reaching that tall cliff.

Now, it tells you that there would be types of matter which would be made up mainly of pluses. It could have a predominance of plus, or a predominance of minus. And what happens to this matter? It doesn’t stay together; it’s very pervasive. Hydrogen is one of them. You let some hydrogen loose in a room, uh… the stuff is not cohesive, it’s quite expansive; and it’s trying to flow around all over the place. You let some hydrogen loose in space and it will swell up that space.

Well now, this is a very simple thing. That is: no win without a lose. Of course, if any piece won, that piece would be a player, and here on Earth we on… by and large, don’t even have pieces, and out in the slave strata of the outer… of outer space you don’t have pieces, you have broken pieces. And a fellow gets up to being a piece again and uh… he… he wants to go right into action unless you’ve pulled the trip on this goal.

Now, uh… that’s fascinating. It’s a matter of pressures involved here in space, and that sort of thing. But uh… it’s not in nice balance, but it is in nice enough balance to be matter.

It’s a… it’s a phony, this goal is. In the first place, nobody has any use whatsoever for this universe. There is no show to be gotten on the road by the MEST universe. That is the horrible thing about the MEST universe, is that there isn’t even a secret about it. The big secret about the MEST universe is that there is no secret.

All right. Let’s take, then, this principle of the plus and the minus particle collapsing, and we find out that your preclear becomes solid to the direct ratio that he is unable to maintain the distance amongst his facsimiles, memories and MEST objects. When he’s unable to do this, he begins to become matter. And he begins to become matter and act like matter, that is just to the ratio that he goes down the tone scale.

You will notice the modus operandi of mystery in this universe. You see, it doesn’t happen to be a pattern for all universes, fortunately, but the modus operandi of mystery is simply to hide nothing.

So, we want to see somebody go down the tone scale, just start taking space away from their terminals. Just take the space out, just take the space out, and keep taking the space out; and the next thing you know, this guy’s getting solider and solider and solider. And he starts to obey the laws of matter itself.

Lord Dunseny tells one of the most wonderful stories about a monastery which was scheduled to fall one day, and this monastery was up on a high hill and there was a rumor and a legend had gone forward for many centuries that on a certain day the monastery would fall. And uh… the day came, and one of the peasants in the valley walked up to the monastery and walked in the front gate. He was quite astonished to find no guards on duty because the guards were back in a corner of a courtyard weeping because that day the monastery was scheduled to fall.

Now, you could say that matter could be complexly composed in this fashion: matter which is composed of a lot of pluses is trying not to be itself; matter composed of a lot of minuses is still trying not to be itself. It doesn’t have a cohesion, it has an ex… uh… an expansive tendency or disassociative tendency. So that isn’t a stable commodity. And matter which is composed of pluses and minuses with great balance and evenness and the space is missing in between those terminals becomes very, very solid. And if you try to bring too much plus-minus terminal together and take too much space out from between the two, the thing will go kaboom! As in the case of plutonium.

And so he walked on through to an inner chamber and he was not stopped because all of the guards there were weeping ‘cause the monastery was scheduled to fall that day, and he walked on into an inner sanctum and an inner sanctum sanctorum sanctorum plus, and uh… finally came down unguarded corridors to the largest central room of this entire place where the mystery of all mysteries of all mysteries was kept, and here behind, at the far side of the room… obviously, the mystery was behind these huge black curtains, and he walked over and he looked at the curtains and he thought, „Well, it’s a very adventurous thing to do,“ but the monastery was scheduled to fall that day, so he adventured to do it. And he reached up and he pulled the curtains down and there was nothing there. And the monastery fell that day.

Now, this is all very elementary and it isn’t anything that you should puzzle yourself about, and I would actually recommend that you get a couple of magnets and uh… just uh… have one… have their ends marked very plainly – bar magnets rather than a horseshoe magnet – and just mark the ends of those magnets very very plainly; the plus ends plainly and the minus ends plainly. And you’ll see that if you have the plus opposite the minus, that is to say as the magnets are lined up, that they, of course, will snap together. And so you can have too much cohesiveness.

That is any mystery there is in the MEST universe. Of course, it fell, it didn’t have a mystery. And that’s true of any mystery. The boys who sit down and beat their knuckle bones and drums… oh, be… beg your pardon, they don’t do that in this culture. Let’s see, what do they do in this culture? Oh, yes, they… they uh… flick a phallic symbol over the audience. Yeah, now just a minute, I’ll get it. I… I get these ethnologies mixed up. Uh… they uh… yeah, they have these gourd – no, it’s beads, beads, beads, they count beads in this place. Anyway, uh… they… they had uh… all of these things of that character.

Now, let’s put those apart two feet, one from the other, and as they… do you leave ‘em alone, nothing happens. But let’s remove a little space between ‘em, and have ‘em one foot apart, and you notice that they… one… one’ll get sort of edgy, just sort of skiddy.

Now there is a tremendous facade, with tremendous proof and yet the biggest business of the Middle Ages was manufacturing authentic religious relics. All you had to do was hide their history and they immediately became authentic.

Now, let’s take another six inches of space from between ‘em and they’ll do what? They’ll go clank!

Now just look at this, look at this. The monastery fell that day because the mystery is no mystery. And, of course, when its mystery was gone, the monastery was gone, all right. You lift the curtain on the MEST universe and you find nothing there. It’s just empty.

Now, what is known as a – quote „psychotic break“ unquote – is this clank. Some person disorients a human being one time too many; and it’s just that, just disorientation. Tells him he’s here when he’s there, and fouls him up one way or the other, and pulls the space out. Or tells him he can’t stay there anymore, or tells him that he can’t have that space, or tells him that he can’t have that matter, which also contains space. He loses something, in other words; but what he loses, most importantly, is space.

They… they tell you, „All right, now what you’re supposed to do, is you just go down to that galaxy, that solar system, or let’s do something or other, and let’s get everything all set because actually the real truth of the matter is that uh… this culture’s growing fairly old and we need a new culture and we ought to do something with that.“ And you go down into this system and you find everybody rushing this way and rushing that way and trying to get something done, and just the second a man finds his hands upon the bushel basket full of gold, just the moment the person is about to drive in the last spike of the imposing city, just at the instant when he has success within his grasp, just as Dumas ended his… after twenty years, the marshal’s baton of France is being extended to the hero of the story, and as he reaches for it saying it was about time he got it, a cannon ball takes off his head.

And so he loses this space and one day he feels, with several facsimiles, a clank. That’s good, he feels this clank, see, and he doesn’t feel good at all.

There’s no win. Now this is… this is actually part of the postulates of the MEST universe. Don’t… don’t… don’t look at it in reverse. Don’t look at it and say, „The energy behaves that way. That’s why these other things behave that way.“ No, the energy behaves that way because of postulates. You see, the postulates are senior to, in any case, the behavior of any particular field of action. The postulate is the senior thing in the pc although the pc is made out of energy.

Now, what do you do… what do you do to get this guy in good repair? Well, you just give him some space. That’s simple. Just give him some space. Of course, the… the… the regular treatment is to put him in a cell or something, you know; take his space away from him. Just give him some space, make sure he’s got space, lots of space. And he’ll… he’ll… he’ll snap out of things most remarkably. I tell you, that most of the mad hatters that… that go out in the deserts as hermits and uh… and so on, they get remarkably sane and calm when they’re put down in a desert fastness, because they’ve got a lot of space! That’s quite important to ‘em. They’ve got… it… it just goes out in all directions, and they’re very happy about this.

Now how does the energy behave in the MEST universe? Well, I want to show you that the mystery was no mystery. We have two kinds of energy in the MEST universe. There’s have energy and have not energy.

Did you ever get out on a plain and suddenly take a deep sigh of relief, to be outside in the country where you get this tremendous expanse in all directions, so forth. You all of a sudden feel the pressure off of you. In other words, your concept of how much space you have to move around in is increased, so therefore you automatically, more or less without thinking about it, increase the space amongst your own facsimiles. Now, as you walk through crowds, go on to subways, rush up Time Square, rush down here, down Broad Street, and get on to streetcars, in and out of taxicabs, dadump, babump, bangs, crash, zing, uh… and so on, you keep getting the idea that you don’t have very much space. Well, this speeds you up; it feeds you more juice.

MY! Some of you look awfully grim about this. I don’t… I don’t really blame you as a matter of fact. Uh… it… it so happens… it so happens that there are goals amongst the universes, there are universes. It so happens that there are universes where uh… love and other things can flourish and where a person can sit down on a pink cloud for twenty or thirty thousand years, and just sit there and nobody will come along and say, „Hey, uh… now uh… we’d like you to volunteer.“

I’ve seen guys stand on the corner and just shake. Uh… it gives ‘em lots of juice. And that’s why these cities appear to be fast, but you’ll find the truth of the matter is, there isn’t a heck of a lot accomplished in them. ‘ The reason why is their level of reason is lower.

And the fellow says, „I don’t want to volunteer,“ and uh… so then… then there’s this… he hears this little hissing sound, ssssssssss, and he says uh…

A country is sane as long as it has, unfortunately, a farming belt. It’s got a big farming belt to draw people from for the cities. When these kids are in there for a few years and they get in there and pitch in the advertising agencies and in the newspaper offices and so forth, and they feed new blood to the city. And then they’re used up and ashcanned, and you can get a new set of kids.

They say, „All right, now that you’ve volunteered, you know you’ve volunteered, don’t you?“

It isn’t that there’s anything good about a farming belt – imagine farming – but uh… there’s uh… more space in it. You’ll get people will talk slower or faster, as the case may be. They’re regulated.

And he’ll say, „Yes, I agreed, yeah, I volunteer,“ on his way, there he goes.

God help you, you’re… most people in cities here have a sort of an hypnotic look, as you go down the street; they’re really knocked in. Well, that isn’t the case on a wider front.

That’s a very odd thing but you’ll get any pc that you want to put up there will say, „I volunteered, yes, I agreed to this.“

All right. Now, let’s look at that plus-minus factor and just base a process on it. Now, be… be… be sure you get this; don’t pass this by and remember that I said that people were skiddeded from one body to another body. That’s not important, knowing that one, but it is important knowing this one:

And you just ask him three times, no more, no less, don’t infer anything, not even by a tone of voice, and just say, „Are you sure now that you volunteered of your own free will?“ He will look kind of odd for a moment. And you say, „Well, now we’re just asking you factually just to make sure we get it straight. Was it of your own free will that you volunteered? Was there any… there was no persuasion of any kind used?“ And the E-Meter suddenly goes neeeeooooow.

That this factor of reduced space results in aberrated behavior, and it is a curve of space reduction that first produces reason: at about 22 down to about 10 or 12, you’re getting reason; that is to say, a fellow thinks consecutively on problems. And it then declines from there… Reason, by the way, is not an aesthetic or otherwise, but it’s just mental action, let’s say, on any wave length. Uh… and it declines from that 12 or up there, it gradually goes on down to 4 and then it spis in quick.

The body that’s held in pawn, the goals which are extended to him, these big volunteer projects, started out something in this fashion. There was a big building. He was curious, he was very curious, and he… he wanted to know what was in the big building. It was very fancy.

From 4 down gives us another example of Man’s intolerance… for well, he’s… he’s just living in this little, tiny, narrow band and he can only survive in this little band. Well, he can only survive in a small band on the tone scale, too. It’s a wonder that he’s here at all.

Maybe this fellow had a… had a… job, maybe he was already doing something. And he was going around through the civilization. He was already in use and uh… he saw this big building and he thought uh… he’d heard some mystery had taken place in there so he goes in to take a look. It’s wide open, it’s very easy to walk into, and what does he find?

Now, we take… take from 4.0, he’s really on his way. Why? By golly, in that band, he is depending upon otherwise originated flows. He’s depending upon flows which originate elsewhere. He cannot support a body without feeding it.

He finds this enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room. This is an incident called the Emanator, by the way. And this thing is, by the way, the source of the Mohammedan Lode Stone that they have hanging down there that uh… when uh… Mohammed decided to be a good uh… small town booster in uh… Kansas Middle East or something of the sort… by the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up is the trade wasn’t good in his home town. That’s right. You can read the life of Mohammed. And he’s got a black one and it’s sort of hung between the ceiling and the floor and, I don’t know it… maybe it’s called a casbah or… or… or something. Any… anyway that thing is a mock-up of the Emanator. The Emanator is bright, not black.

Do you know that if I were to tell this to an audience in some other part of the universe that I would have mouths open in the audience? That a being could actually exist at a low point on the tone scale so low, that in order to have any kind of a body, he would have to feed it from sources other than himself. They would just sit there and just gawk, and they wouldn’t believe it. That would be the… the horrible point.

And so your volunteer, who is just on a sightseeing trip, goes in and this thing is standing in the middle of the room, and it’s going wong, wang, wang, wang, wong, and he says, „Isn’t that pretty?“ It sure is. And then he says, „Neeeooow ponk.“ Well I tell you, they cart him from there and they take him in and they do a transposition of beingness.

You have automobiles out here which don’t run unless you put gasoline in their tanks. In other words, this society is built on MEST-universe-pour- into. There isn’t much of this pour-the-MEST-out; it’s all the MEST-universe- pour-in.

Transposition could be the technical term for… and is a very, very technical term and a very authoritative word, and I want you to take particular note of it because I just made it up. Uh… the transposition would be that act of taking a person who is here and under influence, like hypnosis or something of this sort, persuading him to be somewhere else and then monitoring him somewhere else by addressing the body which is kept in a state of trance or drugs here.

Well, now, what do you do for homo sapiens, then? We find he’s getting less and less space between those terminals, less and less space, less and less space, and it’s pretty easy to upset him. Something can come along all of a sudden and jerk a little more space out between the plus-minus terminals and those terminals do a creak, and some of his facsimiles collapse. A little bit of loss – you wouldn’t think very often the loss was at all important – will cause him to really take an awful dive on the tone scale.

You will find the lostness of your preclear normally stems from these transpositions, and why he can’t remember his past track, past this life, is partially because he doesn’t have anything from that period and the other is that he’s lost his space, and if he’s having trouble with space you’ll find these transpositions.

Now, here’s the other strange phenomenon. People become saner by jerks; they become saner by little jumps. They don’t become sane by a smooth traveling-upward climb. It’s jump, jump, jump, jump. And you can process somebody for just hours and hours and hours and hours, and you say, „I’m getting nowhere. I’m just getting nowhere with this case.“ And then all of a sudden, the guy will go home and he’ll come back to see you the next morning and he’s very happy. And you say, „What happened?“ Well, if you don’t ask him what happened, you won’t find out, because he… he… although he might tell you (he’d be that interested), he’d say, „You know, I was sitting at the supper table, and all of a sudden, I just kind of felt the lights turn up brighter.“

Little girl, she’s sitting on the curb, she’s playing uh… with a… jacks or something of the sort, and this will be in the year, oh, a couple trillion years ago, and she’s sitting on this big, beautiful city and here’s a very, very nice-looking hussar uh… who rides up and says uh… officer, and he said, uh… „How are you?“ and… and gives her some candy. Well, after she passes out, uh… why, he takes her across the saddle bow and takes her into the… into the big castle and there she is placed in a room remarkably like those that are in use right at this moment. Uh… there’s a shining grate or something of this sort and it keeps her in a state of trance.

Then you say, „Well, what… what’d you think of?“ Or anything like that. Don’t bother to ask him; it doesn’t matter a damn what he thought of. What actually happened was, is his positive-negative terminal space on some of the facsimiles that’re bothering him suddenly widened. And that little little jump like that was the actual jump which he felt. It’s a sudden jump. He will all of a sudden find himself looking at a work of art.

Well, they take her, persuade her that she is a prostitute or something like that, or they get a prostitute and they bring her in there too. And they swap those bodies and then they will send this little girl off to all of a sudden occupy or take over the body of some political uh… some queen or something of the sort someplace or another, and make a prostitute of her so that she will disgrace the king and the government will fall. And this is politics par excellence MEST universe.

And by the way, art is wonderful. It will fish people out of the slough of despond faster than anything I know, if they’re permitted to choose their own art. You can’t go around and play Wagner and say, „Well, nobody’s sane in the institution today; I mean, let’s uh… so let’s play uh… let’s play some Prokofiev. Uh… oh, they’ve all gone nuts. Well, that doesn’t work.“ Well, I was talking about art.

Uh… isn’t this wild? Incredibly wild. I haven’t seen this done here on earth uh… to any great extent at all. As a matter of fact, I haven’t seen it done here on earth as such. I’ve done it, but I haven’t seen it done.

Although as one fellow I knew oh… oh, he’d just be feeling horrible, and he always went home and did the same thing: he put on a record of Caruso. And it was an old, beaten up, knocked apart record of Caruso, and every once in a while he’d get terribly drunk and he’d hock it. And then he’d practically go mad till he got this record back again. He’d do anything to get that record back. And he… he played it on a wind-up phonograph, and his life was a contest between trying to endure it and getting filled up again with Caruso. And he’d put Caruso on the platter uh… he’d put on the record and listen to Caruso. It wasn’t any particularly good Caruso; it was old, scratchy, made at the end of Caruso’s career, as Pagliacci, I think, something like that, or whatever Caruso sings.

Now when I started finding this on the E-Meter, I decided that it’s something we ought to look into. And so I… I got ahold of a… of a… of a… well, he was in terrible shape anyway, and uh… uh… he… he… he’d never liked Dianetics. Ah… and uh… I don’t know, he’s probably all right right now, he’s probably happy. Ah… we had an awful lot of trouble with the body though. Uh… and uh… he went afterwards down to Fairhope, Alabama, and he hasn’t been doing too well, but one of these days we’ll give him his soul back. That’s all a joke, by the way.

Now, he’d listen to that thing and oh… up he’d come. What would it do? This big, ex… you know, Caruso really could fill a lot of space. It’s too doggoned bad we didn’t have in his day real sound recording, because his loss was actually a great loss. You know, there isn’t anybody fills up space with sound the way Caruso did. Too, in the early days of Paul Robeson. Paul Robeson singing bass could knock out the back rafters. He could just start hitting one of those low notes and pour in the volume, and all of a sudden he keeps pouring the volume in, and you say, „Lookee here, this roof is coming in any minute.“ He’s to a large degree lost that today. He’s singing baritone, and so on. I guess he bought too many pamphlets or something.

Uh… anyway, just experimented – this is a number of years ago – just experimented this way, can you send a person zip zip zip. Well, I didn’t know the mechanics exactly of what they did in this universe with this thing, you know. Could you send a person zip to here and there to there? Was this just astral walking? Or was it actually… did we produce a result? Well, it’s all right to sit around and theorize and say, „Well, astral walking is this and something or other is that.“ As a matter of fact, astral walking is the palest shade of anything like this. Just the palest of shades. And uh… this uh… do… can we actually make this person influence somebody at a distance?

But uh… uh… when… when it comes to these jumps, you see, they can almost come from any source. Now, I… I could tell you some very touching and remarkable stories concerning the effect of aesthetics on individuals. It doesn’t take much to throw them; it really doesn’t take much to put them back together again. And if you know that you’ve got a little principle working there, which is just more space, what made his space constrict on him? I mean, why… why did he begin to feel he had it?

And by working on it, really working on it, putting him into a very deep trance, narcosynthesis uh… which is used every day on people. And… very, very, very funny, I mean nobody ought to fool around with a human mind that doesn’t know his hat from his horse, uh… nobody.

Now, what does he need at this moment to feel he’ll have more space? You establish that and he’ll do one of these little jumps. Now, maybe he did something to somebody and he still has that facsimile sitting there, and so on, and it constricts him because he’s backed up and he isn’t occupying all of his own body. And that is an awfully important one. You’ll find out the guy who can’t get out of his head isn’t in his body. He doesn’t think he is. He’s already backed out of his body. He owned it once, but he’s backed out of it. He’ll tell you almost anything to try to convince you that he never was in it, or something of the sort. But the fact of the matter is, he isn’t in it, to any great degree at all. He’s dispersed.

That’s right, uh… because psychiatry does this unwittingly all the time. They throw a guy under narcosynthesis and they say, „Be back on the battlefield now, all right you’re on the battlefield. Well, you were unconscious at that moment so we won’t pay any attention to that, now let’s go through,“ and so on. And the guy comes home and he walks around like a zombie and they wonder what’s wrong with him.

He’ll be as far back as his ears. He’ll… he’ll just bare… barely be in the back of it, you know, just nyah, and very diffused. The whole front of the body, somebody else, something else owns, and he can’t move into it. Now, the way out is through. He has to own every single scrap of that body and be willing to use every single piece of that body before he can cleanly step out of it.

You go ahead and you get one of these fellows and you have to collect him off this battlefield. They actually sent him over to the battlefield and the guy’s been sitting over there on Green Beach One for three years looking at the waves come in, saying, „I wonder where the battle was?“

But this is a question of space. He isn’t occupying the space of the body. He’s backed up in space too much. This means, then, that his facsimiles will be hard packed on to him. He’ll be thick. He’ll be thicker than he should be, in terms of electronics and ridges around. What about these guys and these ridges? They just haven’t got enough space amongst the ridges. How can you put it in there? Well, you can put it in there in 40,000 different ways, in creative processing. I mean, this is… it’s so easy.

Yeah, yeah, wonderful, isn’t it? All right, uh… so I sent this… this… this – three guys as a matter of fact – I sent several of them, but I… I hate to break down and tell you about that. Uh… none of them liked Dianetics so it’s all right uh… and uh… one of them was, well, that’s all right.

But just remember that, that the trouble with him is energy and the trouble with the energy is it’s lost the space between its terminals, and the remedy is to give him space. And the second he starts to get wider and wider things of space, and handle things in space, the better and better he’ll feel and the more and more expansive he feels and the freer he is to act.

Ah… anyway, could we take a homo sapiens and just simply tell him he was somebody else and make him orient and regulate and monitor the activities of the person we told him he was? Yes, to this extent, to tell this guy, drugged, to go over and get ahold of Bill and be Bill and have Bill get into the car and drive straight up to the front door.

All right. When he gets down to a certain level on the tone scale, he begins to be troubled by flows. He begins to get so solid as matter that he begins to be troubled by flows. Now, let’s… let’s uh… long build-up here to this data about ARC; feel you need this.

You give it 15 minutes and you look outside and there’s Bill. So just as Bill is going to get out of the car and before you have any slightest chance of doing anything else here just take this fellow and bat him around a little bit and wake him up and say, „You are still Bill, now drive down to the City Hall and apply for a marriage license. Now you are driving down, now apply for this marriage licence. Now go on down there. Now go on, walk up,“ and so on.

Uh… flows are just flows, and when a differentiation, when the ability to differentiate is as low as 4.0 on the tone scale, one flow can very easily be mistaken for another flow. At 2.0 and at 1.5, the person thinks any flow is at his band level. He thinks anything that’s said to him when he’s at 2.0, really he… he seldom differentiates.

All of a sudden this fellow Bill calls you up and he says, „You know,“ he said, „I’m beginning to worry about my mind. You know that yesterday I applied for a marriage licence and I don’t even know any girls.“ This was in Hollywood, and of course no Bill in Hollywood would be interested in girls.

You come along and you say, „How are you this morning?“ And he’s liable to glare at you. Why, he knows very well what your emotion was when you said that. He can only put on you and feel back the emotion of antagonism, you see? So any flow that comes in is a flow of antagonism. It might be the sweetest flow in the world, it might be the pleasantest flow, or it might be meaner than hell or it might be griefy or it might be anything; he can’t differentiate. He’s lost that power to differentiate and as a net result he thinks everybody’s being antagonistic toward him.

So you want to know: Can it work – does it work? Does it exist? Is it phenomena? Boy, is it!

Or he’s angry and he’s… he’s… responds to that anger; he goes around looking for everybody to be angry or looking for people to be afraid, and he’ll vary between those two things. He hopes they’ll be afraid, but he’s scared they’ll be angry. The most horrible thing you can do to a 1.5 is really get mad at ‘em. Oh, because that confirms the reality of what he’s been reading off of you all the time.

Your preclear has been… been shuttled. Many of your preclears that are really lost have been shuttled from hither to thither to whither until they finally don’t know what… if they’ve got any space. One moment they… they’re… they’re sightseeing, they’re on… they’ve just gotten off a ship or… or something of the sort, and they’re walking along and there’s this big, beautiful building and it says Free Excursions: See the… the panoramic or something, and… and they walk in and that’s… their ship is still sitting out on some airport some place. The baggage is still in some waiting room, the wife and kiddies are still wondering – hardly, because this is probably millions of years ago – they’re still wondering whatever happened to him. And, of course, it’s just too horrible a fact for him to face that all of a sudden, he could cease to be here and suddenly materialize there as somebody else. You wonder what happened to his space – it’s scrambled all over the place.

Well, he can’t differentiate too well in terms of flows. When he gets really bad off, by the way, he will mistake… when he gets volume of energy packed around him he can actually go to the point of mistaking sight and sound and crossing up on the perceptic band. Yeah, that’s… that’s really weird. If you suddenly hear somebody hearing radio programs, you know where they are on the tone scale and at what volume. They’ve got a confusion on wave length. And when a person is so bad off and the energy is so thick around him that he can get confusion on wave length, he’s pretty bad.

Now I… I could give you… give you a rundown on this and maybe… maybe I will. But it’s… it’s just too fantastic for words. That’s just too fantastic so, of course, nobody would believe it, and that again is the main stock-in-trade of the MEST universe.

You go around the Veterans Hospitals, every once in a while a guy is suffering so badly from shock and he’s got ridges around him packed so solid that he will be seeing what he ought to be hearing and hearing what he ought to be seeing. That’s quite confusing, but all he’s done there is he’s unable to differentiate, he’s too low on the cycle of action, on ALL cycles of action, in… on differentiation; he is low on it to the point where he can’t tell the difference between wave lengths.

You notice that everybody triggers on a „I can’t believe it.“ You notice that… that’s some of the nicest mechanisms there is. The reason why Scientology can’t actually take the guts of nuclear physics, extend them; we’re more usefully in the direction of chain fission, low-order chain fission than the boys are out at Los Alamos. We could take that, we could ship it to Russia, we could ship it to Germany, we could do anything we wanted to.

Now, he has a communication difficulty, then, by being unable to select out and perceive by various points on the wave length scale, as you saw yesterday. Now, what else gets confused there? Well, he really doesn’t know too well what kind of a flow it is and what that flow is saying when he feels a flow. When he feels a flow, it’s a flow. A flow is a flow is a flow is a flow, as far as he’s concerned. A is getting to equal A. Any kind of a flow is any kind of a ridge. Any kind of a ridge is any kind of a ridge. And a flow could be a ridge could be a dispersal, when he gets down to matter; matter doesn’t care.

I could go down here and take an electronic laboratory and build a gimickgahoojit that would bop bop gamma rays like mad and we’d just have the most fun. Nobody would pay a bit of attention to what was going on. Why? That is the main mechanism of the MEST universe. Does it immediately agree with a person’s immediate surroundings? Well, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t exist. Oh-ho, nobody is really permitted to imagine out beyond the surroundings in which he finds himself. That’s one of these agree mechanisms.

Now, where do you enter into the picture on this? Well, there’s the nastiest, stupidest, doggonedest trick when it comes to MEST universe energy and evaluations concerned; let’s look at what a dream it is. Now, I want you right now, as a class, to just make a little test of this. I want you to get… I want you to get this… this… this feeling: Get the feeling that you are agreeing to something. Now, just… just spend a moment or two at this: Get the feeling you’re agreeing to something. (…) Now, you get that feeling?

You do something that is completely out of agreement… supposing, supposing we went down and… the doggonedest things could happen, you know. Ah… you could suddenly take over the Empire State Building in New York City and uh… if you had it on the proper deeds and so forth and… and everything was all set up, why, you’d have the Empire State Building as long as you’d gone through the agreement of the environment. The whole society is wide open, it’s just like it’s Swiss cheese, it’s very solid compared to this… this society. It just lies here; it’s as porous as a sponge and nobody eats it up. Somebody ought to wonder why.

Now, we’ll see how good you are individually. Can you get the feeling of disagreeing with something now? (…) If you study that over for a moment, we won’t occupy much time with it, you’ll find that the agreement was inflow. Did you notice that? Yeah. And uh… that the disagreement was an outflow. Well, those are your two vectors. And of course if a fellow agrees, agrees, agrees, agrees, agrees with the MEST universe and he keeps on agreeing with the MEST universe, he keeps inviting this inflow. Inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow. And pretty soon it gets stacked up pretty tight around him. He gets darn near like a lump of matter.

There’s two reasons why, is MEST has no real value, and the other reason why is… is because there are a lot of people making awfully sure right now this place doesn’t get eaten up.

All right. Let’s get the message that that energy that he’s seeing stacked up with is carrying.

Now I ask you to… to qualify all that I’m telling you and realize that it’s far too incredible, far too incredible to oh… actually be. But don’t get an E-Meter and start asking questions. You start to collect your preclear in space, you start to sum up his space, where did he suddenly cease to exist and where is he still trying to hold on, and you will get a state of mind which says… which has no fluidity. It… it says… it says, „Now look, it’s happened to me once too often. I was here and then all of a sudden, bow, I was someplace else and… and I… I’m sure I’m here,“ and your preclear is hanging on to any anchor point the MEST universe cares to give him. He knows he’s here.

Now, let’s get this as a flow: wanting something. Let’s get this as a flow: wanting something. Now, let’s get as a flow: not wanting something. What do you do to not want something? Well, that fits very nice; that’s a very nice mechanic, well, isn’t it? When you agree, when you want something, you have… you agree with it, and when you don’t want something, why, you disagree with it. Isn’t that cute? Huh.

Your preclear as you’re processing him on mock-ups will occasionally open his eye and look around the room just to make sure he’s here. And he’s… he’s… where’s here? Well, any here is better than no here, so he at least knows he has a location, that he hasn’t suddenly gone zook and appeared on Arcturus as a street sweeper.

Well, if you agree, if you agree, let’s uh… let’s also get this one: uh… when you agree, you’re having something, aren’t you? When you agree, then you have something. Well, that’s… that’s very logical. In other words, uh… you want something, you agree. That’s all there is to that. So therefore, you can have it. So therefore you can have some time, too. You get havingness, you get things and so on.

Oh, it’s fantastic enough uh… when you come to think about this, that uh… that something like this could go on and never get detected even vaguely. Well, fortunately, it’s very easy to solve. It is tremendously easy to solve once you know spacation. Because you can just solve it by mocking up anchor points and that sort of thing and the fellow is ill… you’ll wonder why this makes a fellow feel so much better. Actually he’s… most of your people have been transported and supertransported too wildly for his own credibility, much too wildly.

Now, that’s all right if the MEST universe can keep you completely in the dark about the fact that there’s somebody else in the MEST universe besides you. But any time anybody goes off on the first dynamic and they say the first dynamic is the only dynamic, they’re working a control operation; it’s a control operation of magnitude. And here’s why it’s a control operation of magnitude. That’s all right, see, that adds up very beautifully. When you want something you agree to it and when you don’t want something you disagree with it. When you’re going to have something, you agree with it and when you don’t have something, you disagree with it. In other words, not have… that’s… that’s perfect, isn’t it? As long as it’s just you. As long as there’s no interchanges.

Now, at the same time, just because that condition of affairs can exist – and it can only exist because it is unknown, that is, it’s a mystery, it’s hidden – just because that strange state of nonsensical things can exist uh… disconnected uh… uh… the fellow loses when he thinks he’s winning and he wins when he loses and all this is hidden back of the lines, is because of two things.

Well, the MEST universe tells you that ARC is no good. It tells you it doesn’t work and it tells you it can’t happen; which is a lie. That is the biggest lie it tells, because let’s look at a… the piece of matter that you want. Now, here… here’s flows. You get here the pc, and let’s mark the pc as „I“. All right. Now, that’s agree into him and here’s „I“ again, and that’s an outflow, and that’s disagree. And here is „I“ again, and in we go; he’s pulling in, that’s want. And we get… we get it not want. Isn’t this orderly, as long as it works out in terms of just you. I mean, it works fine, perfect; as long as you’re never interfered with… with another flow of any kind whatsoever, this is perfect. And this is the way ARC is broken to pieces.

That is, one, the preclear himself never got oriented the instant he stepped into the universe. He was disoriented at that moment because it was strange space and he is at the present time gripping with terrible tenacity to any orientation to which he can credit a reality – any one. So one of the reasons why mock-up creative processing works is because it, for the first time, starts to treat the only anchor points he ever had or he ever will have.

Now, let’s take this line up here and let’s see what happens over here to thee. All right, so we’ll just call this „you“, as different than that. „You“ comes in on an agree, that’s „you“ agree; you understand, I mean, by „you“ I mean another person. Here’s „I“, he’s confronted with another person; we’ll call this other person „you“. And here’s this other person who is doing a disagree.

He… he doesn’t have any other anchor points than his own anchor points, but somebody could come along with trickery and drugs and persuasion and shift him from one place to another just grandly and beautifully and here you have, then, your preclear losing space and appearing in one space and in another space.

Now, here we have „you“ again wanting and that’s he wants. And here is „you“ not wanting. Uh… that’s… that’s very interesting, and so forth. I mean, there we have your interrelationship of flows and this tells you, then, a lot of interesting things. Very interesting things. Tells you too much, really. Really bogs you down when you start looking at it.

This material becomes deadly when your psychotic is faced with it – just deadly. Oh, it’s just grim. The poor guy has com… he has adequate reason to be completely fruitcake, anybody has, and somewhere along the track he’s taken refuge in the fact that he was no longer responsible so somebody could stop punishing him.

Here… as long as „I“ here wants agreement from „you“, he will pull into himself agreement, won’t he? „I“ wants agreement, therefore he’s gonna pull in agreement. Now, this is on a calm rational basis; he wants agreement from you. He wants something from you.

And you see when a guy can’t die, he can be punished and punished and punished and punished and punished, so his final answer to inability to die is to say, „I’m not responsible and I can’t be responsible,“ and the… the substitute in the thetan for death is insanity. And that, of course, came about and the person chose the substitute of insanity before he chose uh… to have a body and have it die.

‘Course, what’s he gonna get? He’s going to get disagreement. The second he wants agreement, he gets disagreement. „You“, of course, fires back at him. I mean, if… if „I“ were completely capable of monitoring the direction of flow of „you“ and „I“ wanted agreement flowing into him, he would get disagreement from „you“. See? Simple.

You know, it’s a very good thing to have a body because we have an agreement here… here and that is to say when you kill the body the fellow is legally dead. You can only go so far with punishment. You can’t keep going after that point.

Now, „I“ wants to be disagreed with. He wants things to disagree with him, and uh… so on. He wants this individual to disagree; he’s about to be eaten or somebody’s gonna give him a cigar that’ll make him sick, or something of the sort, and so he says, „I don’t want it.“ Zong! How does this react? We have „you“ agreeing, don’t we? He disagrees and „you“ will agree.

Now these incredibilities add up to a squirrel cage, and when a fellow starts looking at the unknowness of it, he’ll suddenly stop knowing himself.

Now, that isn’t too bad, but, heh, look at this. When… when „I“ wants to disagree here, „I“ again, he doesn’t want the cigar, he doesn’t want the meal, something like that, down at the level where flows are confused, so it doesn’t… the… the agreement flow and the want flow, are… are… they’re… they’re the same thing, practically. Look what happens here when… when „I“ wants to be disagreed with, and so forth, he creates in „you“ want.

What is knowingness composed of? It’s composed of having anchor points and being able to handle and combine energy. That’s all known… knowingness consists of really. It’s… if you can do that then you have the capability of knowing, which is to say, computing anything that has to do with a universe. Now if you can do those things, you see, the data which we have here… look, all of the data we have is MEST universe data. There’s datum after datum after datum and they’re all MEST universe data just as though they were important.

You say, „I am no good; I am not edible; I will make you awfully sick.“ The reaction on the part of „you“ is to eat.

It doesn’t really matter a tinker’s doggone where this preclear has been transported to from one place to another; it does not matter a bit how much MEST universe space he has lost. It doesn’t matter how many identities have been taken away from him, really, in this universe; that is of no consequence. Rut a psycho, all of a sudden, is faced with some terrible problem in this life and he starts to look for the answer and he starts to look, God help him, in his facsimiles, and the second he starts to look for the answer to some all-pervasive problem about knowingness, the wrong place to look is facsimiles because the energy in them is rigged backwards. It is zong, 180 degree wrong. So uh… the fellow starts looking through this and of course he knows less and he knows less and he knows less. What is he finding out from these? He’s finding out past identities, but these identities were not his identity.

Now, „I“ wants, here… let’s see what happened when „I“ wants something, he… he wants something, it’s coming in: anything he wants’ll disagree with him, of course, because here we are here.

His identity is solely and only his own beingness high on the tone scale, that identity which he assigns to himself is his individualism; that’s his individualism. Uh… he is actually has to be robbed of his individualism to become John Jones, which is an identity.

You want to know why, when you go out and buy a possession in the MEST universe or acquire a possession in the MEST universe, you don’t like it too well after you own it, after you’ve acquired it. You’ve seen that manifestation more times: you just will die until you get that something-or- other, and the second you get it, you say, „Well, there’s probably something wrong with it, or I’m not sure whether I want this or not,“ or something of the sort, and „I really don’t quite want it.“ That’s because anything you get will disagree with you, of course.

So uh… that’s all the identity the fellow’s ever going to have and he just hasn’t made up his mind to it. Uh… but he still thinks that it was more important to have been assigned an identity; you get preclears coming around and saying, uh… „I was uh… Noah,“ or… or… or something of this sort, „and I have these terrible crimes upon my back, yap yap.“ It will… so what, so what?

Now, let’s look at it the other way around, and we’ll just have „I“ wanting „you“. „I“ here wants „you“. Okay. He’ll create a current flow in front of „you“ and of course „I“ gets „you“ not wanting „I“.

You’ll find, by the way, another manifestation is preclears will shift identities and borrow facsimiles like mad. There’s what they call the Christ game and that game has been played and played and played and played – honest to Pete, these cards are just so thin. They’ve been laid down amongst the coffee cups and so forth of a whole universe.

Now, let’s get a couple, and they’re having trouble. And he has decided that he loves her desperately and he wants her desperately and she just doesn’t want to have anything to do with him, until the day when he finally says, „I don’t want you or anything to do with you,“ and then she wants him desperately. See how that works out?

You’ll find out thousands of years before the year one A.D. Earth, you will have facsimiles and dolls made up like Christ. Fac One a million years ago is occasionally rigged with Christ and the Devil and an angel. It’s a fascinating thing, it’s an old game.

Student: Ron, you can check that by wanting something that you know you can’t have and see what happens.

Here on Earth there was undoubtedly a Christ. Well, one of the reasons he was… he swept in so suddenly uh… and… and he would go forward so hard is he had a good assist back of him in terms of an implant.

Mm-hmm.

All right. Now he… you’ll find preclears, and this is a little problem that will come up with you. You’ll find preclears all of a sudden are Christ. You will actually find a preclear will go all the way through with a crown of thorns and every other darn thing. Just look for an overt act against Christ, and it solves itself.

Student: It doesn’t run as agree; it runs as disagree, as a… as an outflow instead of an inflow.

What they’ve done is picked up an implant phrase and done a mock-up on it. They can do it… they can do this. They pick up some kind of an implant or some kind of a terrible upset or a conviction of some sort or another, and then they’ll go ahead and, my lord, they’ll carry that cross clear up to the top of Golgotha and get themselves nailed on it, and uh… very few of them go to the point of getting the… the uh… gall bladder stuffed in their mouth or something like that – little Christian niceties – uh… but uh… they… they… they will be just about as good as this as they know about Christ. They’ll add no new data to the situation.

Mm-hmm. Wanting something you know you can’t have, that’s right. Guys get down to a locked basis on this, so they know that anything they want they can’t have.

This is an overt act against religion, and the person has been made guilty in terms of some religious cult, and so on and the only reason that could ever happen to him is because at some time or another he has deserted a group which was a high ethical group and after that he can become prey to other things.

Now, it gets worse than this. Let’s take a look here at agree and have. And here, let’s take a look at have, and let’s take a look in terms of time and, you know, have time.

Man’s degradation always stems from his first desertion or breakage of, really, the Code of Honor. He breaks the Code of Honor and after that he starts downhill and he gets worse, and worse, and worse, and worse, because his trust in himself is worse and therefore he can’t trust what his own space is or his own energy is or anything else.

Now, here we have „I“ and „I“ has an inflow of agree, and „I“ has an outflow of disagree, and „I“ has an inflow of have and „I“ has an outflow of not have.

So this is a completely wild picture when you look at Man’s location in the MEST universe and what he has or has not been through. The picture is just incredibly wild. And you start to search through facsimiles to set this picture to rights, all you’re going to find is the track of agreements which lead him to finally agree to be what he is right now. Now you’ll be able to map that, but as far as his identities being shifted in space, being shifted in time, all of these things – of no importance. The dickens with it.

Now, the essentials of energy are have and not have; have and not have. And haves and not haves actually, somehow or other in this cockeyed universe, get together. It’s fascinating, isn’t it? You’ll find more haves supporting the Communist Party. Didn’t ever strike you as strange that some fellow that makes 5 million dollars a year is supporting the very party that will eat him up? Well, that’s in terms of appetite.

And you… if your poor… if your poor psycho can only realize this, brother, it doesn’t amount to two whoops and a collar button what you’ve done, where you’ve been, who you’ve butchered, how many crosses you lugged to Golgotha, oh, that… that’s really vicious. You go down an… an insane asylum corridor and you see these religious implants are just leaping, it’s something in the order – it’s at least one out of three inmates in any asylum are spinning on religion. Why? God occupies all space. That’s all you have to convince a guy and he’s dead. That’s right, that’s all God’s space and any space which you occupy will be God’s. Oh, brother, just look at that as an operation. The guy can’t throw out any anchor points of his own without getting God into that space. And he’ll spin like a… like a spinning mouse if he finally gets this down the line.

Now, let’s take this as a uh… a schedule here of person and object. This isn’t related at the top here. Person and object. And let’s have this object, which we will make into… I’ll just put an M there. You see, the behavior of this object, the object is saying, „Have me.“ Let’s say it has that potential on it, object. And here the object is saying, „Don’t have me.“ That’s actually what a negative terminal might be saying, any time it’s putting an outflow – you see, it’s established by the polarities – uh… any… any uh… it might be said, when it’s hit… hitting any kind of an outflow, any terminal is saying, „Don’t have me.“ It’s doing a repulsion. And when it’s pulling in, it’s saying, „Have me.“

And you look down these things and you find these guys are trying to depend upon or trust upon the other thing that they’re worried about, God help them, is they have found out how perishable a commodity ARC is in this universe, how perishable; they have had an ARC break with the rest of the race.

Well, that’s why your very, very low tone scale people, by the way, collect only things which are not desirable.

Now this actually violates the individual’s own reality. It actually violates any way he would set up a universe if left to his own devices. He would set this thing up on a high-level ARC and try to keep it there, but he has been tricked here into believing that certain things comprise ARC and he… he’ll – all of a sudden you t… start tracing back a preclear’s life – where are his major ARC breaks? And he all of a sudden realizes that this human being’s no good and that human being’s done him in and that human being’s no good, and that he can’t help some other human being, and this sort of a progress has been setting in on him just… just year in and year out and he has never found this out.

Now, we have… over here, we have uh… agree and here we have disagree. This should tell you wonders about possessions and about engrams and deposits of energy, and so forth. Now, what… what happens here? Now, let’s look at the extremes up here: „I“ agree and M disagree. We’ve just covered this; the object of course agrees and disagrees as we saw it on the first graph.

A human being finds it almost impossible to do these two things – one, be a driven slave under the whip of energies and necessities and spaces which are not his own, and to be at the same time a real being.Hefinds it almost impossible to cross the MEST universe with faith, hope, charity, love, friendship and so on. It’s dog eat pig.

Now uh… this second graph here shows you that if a fellow, if „I“, in this case, you’d think, agrees with something, he could have it. If he agrees with something, he can have it. Isn’t that a beautiful universe? Plus-minus polarities. And if he disagreed with something, he wouldn’t have to have it, would he? Well, let’s look at this.

Look at… look at the way… look at the way the food system’s rigged. If anything is silly, it’s rigging a food system so that every time a being eats, something has had to die. Isn’t that wonderful? Every time a being eats, something has had to die even if he’s eating celery. The cells that go to make up that celery are live cells, that’s livingness. Here is theta has got this weird endless chain.

He agrees with something so it, of course, has a flow pulled around past it and it’s immediately saying, „Don’t have me.“ The second he agrees with something, it says, „Don’t have me.“ He goes down and he says, „Well, that’s fine. The automobile is going to run and uh… all of this, and I agree with this thing perfectly,“ and of course that day it won’t start. That… it’s just a lead-pipe cinch that that’s what’s gonna happen.

Go out and look at the sea sometime if you want to see how bad off theta can be. Take… take a big spotlight down in tropical waters and shine it into the water alongside the thing and then… then just… just watch. You don’t have to do anything, just turn on the spotlight and the little fish will come up to see what’s happening to the… in all this light, because they figure light=algae, that sort of thing and uh… they’re eating the algae, and the next thing you know there’s a flurry and a flash and there’s another big fish in there and he leaves a lot of maimed little ones and then he comes back and eats two or three of those, and then there’s a big flash from the bigger fish that’s suddenly cut in half by a barracuda and there’s a big flash because this time there’s blood in the water and you see a big barracuda come in there and then you see the slow lazy turns of a shark and Mr. Shark will come in there. Mr. Shark looks… looks awfully religious, he… he… he… he is… he’s… he’s very nice.

Now, we get disagreement, and the fellow says, „I don’t want it. I wouldn’t ever touch it if anybody ever gave me one and a million dollars to boot. I’d have nothing whatsoever to do with it,“ and there it is sitting on his doorstep. This ferocious and horrible determinism not to have something winds up in what? It winds up in making the full vector of matter say, „Have me.“

You know he has lids on his eyes and he can blink at you particularly when he’s dying, the most touching blink you ever saw. And uh… so Mr. Shark comes in there and starts to mop the joint up and then maybe a couple of sharks will get in a fight and then the shark that gets wounded gets eaten up by the rest of the sharks present, and if you’ve ever seen a bloody swirling turmoil that will really turn you just a little bit gaggy and cold, just do that trick sometime in tropical waters.

Well, now, a fellow… this tells you something horrible. That tells you that you could only really only acquire enMEST. You could never acquire good MEST. EnMEST would say enturbulated MEST, busted up toys, run-down thingamabobs; uh… it tells you that any time you tried to conquer a nation, you would conquer rubble. It tells you the automatic result of an attempted conquest of a nation would be rubble. It tells you that any time you try to get ahold of a great big bank of energy, it’s gonna be a mess. It’s gonna tell you that if you consistently ran MEST universe facsimiles and ran them as facsimiles, that you’d result in scrambling the bank.

Now that’s… that’s… this universe then throws some sort of a… of a vile curtain across things. It’s… it’s an interesting thing, one of the commonest incident you’ll find in pcs is somebody telling them what they really face in the MEST universe and making sure that the guy knows how bad it is. Just… just… just pounding it to them, and then just breaking them down and showing them how degraded he is and so on.

Why? Because the preclear is saying, „All right. I agree, I agree to run this. I agree to have this energy inflow. I agree to have this energy inflow.“ And what do you know, the energy at that moment is going to say, „Don’t have me.“ „I agree to this inflow, and therefore I’m gonna run this – engram.“ Result: occlusion.

They get a fellow… you see, if a fellow didn’t consent to become degraded one of the fine days he could just suddenly throw out his chest and there would be a sort of a flash and a tinkle of glass and a faraway cry of the inventor of this place as he fell through all of his own space.

All right. Here, he says, „I uh… don’t want that damned engram. I’m not going to have anything to do with it, and to hell with it. It’s not gonna influence me, it’s not gonna influence me, it’s not gonna influence me.“ It says, „Have me.“ He rejects it and he’s got 1t. Why? It agrees with him.

I think he should fall through all of his own space endlessly myself, I think we should have endless space, a sort of a circle with leading type gravity. Because look at that, every… every sensation, then, every sensation is based upon some debasing thing. This is not native to theta, theta can be pushed in that direction. Because bad and good are practically without classification, but it can be pushed in that direction and it can be trapped in that direction and it can be made a slave to do this sort of thing, but God help us. The fellow who has had these ARC breaks, ARC breaks, ARC breaks, down the length of his life, what he’s doing is making the basic error of supposing he’s on his home ground.

But there is a little bit of light. If you were to say to an engram, if you were to say to an engram, „To hell with you,“ it would wind up owned. If you were simply to say to an engram, „Okay. So we’ve got it here on the track“ – and we finally locate it in space and time, that’s all. Now you say, „To hell with you.“ Watch it blow up. Just put out a good strong impact against the engram of „to hell with you!“ It’s worth an experiment, you see, ‘cause it’ll work.

He is underestimating the amount of power and force that is driving or that the… his friends think are driving them. He’s faced, then, with people who are not able to act out of their own election but people who are caught enmeshed and enmired in a world where something has to die before anything can live.

You get this beautifully clear lock and just suddenly muster up, just muster up and… and you’ve got the thing located (that’s of course 90 percent of running it). Uh… you’ve got the thing located and then just put out an upsurge between it and watch what happens to it. It’ll go zook. It’ll actually change location in space. Without monitoring it any further, you just put an outflow and say, „Zong. I don’t want anything to do with you.“ It’s liable to explode, or go away, or anything.

Now it’s… you’re undoing then a very strange picture. You’re undoing a very strange, complex and upsetting picture.

But… but we say, „All right. All right. The MEST universe is trying to make me do this and that. And in school they wanted me to do so-and-so and that uh… here they wanted me to do that, and every place they’ve gone… they… and so on; and the thing for me to do is to knuckle down and to do my job of work and get in there at 10 o’clock in the morning and… and… and work right straight through till 10 o’clock at night, and… and… and do all of this, and I… I’m going to agree to this, and I’m everything…“ Oh, boy. Boy, is that job gonna disagree with you!

You find… you think your preclear’s liked some of it, he’ll try to hold on to something because he’s liked some of it and you process him for a little while and all of a sudden – boom. He finds out that wasn’t the case, that he had himself kidded one way or another about that.

The first thing you know, they’re gonna say, „Well, that’s it, that bum. He just works sa… he’s a sap. Uh… ah, well. Uh… I… I know… I know a fellow down the road, oh, we’ve got him… the next post above him is open uh… in the uh… department so uh… I know a fellow down the road that used to shovel uh… uh… stuff out of the curbs and off the curbs and things like that, and I think he’d probably… I… I don’t know. He doesn’t seem to want to work here. Let’s put him on.“

And uh… he… you find out that… he tells you probably that he won a prize and then we found out the award of the prize was getting up on top of a chute and going down the chute and getting all the emotions installed one after the other, and he gets to the bottom completely degraded. The emotional shoot, it’s just an incident. And so they had a big contest to find who the smartest thetan was in this area and at the end of this contest the thetan that had won the prize got to go down this chute. And of course that finished him.

The Service is the most wonderful place of this in all possible operations, because the Service doesn’t give a damn; it’s too down low tone scale for anything to happen anyway. And one day, just as an experiment, I told a kid that – I… I was in the hospital, and uh… the kid was off one of my ships and he came in and he says, „I’ve got to get back aboard,“ he says. „I can’t stand this place any longer.“ He says, „What do I do? What do I do to get back aboard?“

You’ll find that comparative operation in Formosa, the little Nippo did 50 years ago or so, more than that, a grab of a little island called Formosa. Formosa up to that time was inhabited by the Chinese and had uh… its mountains were full of head hunters and uh… hut it had a lot of randomity and uh… people were quite sick on it. And the Nippo, however, has taken great care that no Formosan has ever risen to any stature that would permit those people to govern themselves, and uh… the way he has done it is by awarding prizes to learn the Japanese language and by carefully making a drug addict out of any potential leader that rises amongst the people. He carefully makes a drug addict out of him.

And I said, „Well, the next time the doctor comes in interviews you down in the ward, you say, „Now, I don’t feel very well and I don’t see why I’d have to be returned to duty, because my stomach hurts, and I hurt this way and I’m in bad shape.“ And I said, „Make it very convincing. The truer you make it, the faster it works.“ And I… so I just explained to on this.

That is just typical of MEST universe control. You’ll find out that those people who best approximate the modus operandi of the MEST universe in methods of control are the most successful in the MEST universe.

He says, „Gee, that sounds awful dangerous to me. They’re liable to keep me here.“

Well, this is a complete reversal to the purposes and actual uh… hopes of… of a thetan; he… he… he knows this… this is just… just haywire. Ah… what? Evil is rewarded, uh… only evil is rewarded with success, you mean you have to follow along with these trickeries and twistings and turnings and upsets one way or the other in order to… in order to bring about anything like success you have to be a dirty double dealing dog? uh… uh-huh. But remember what the fellow who is successful wins, he wins MEST. And that, of course, is the trick within the trick within the trick within the trick.

„No, no. No, no,“ I said. That’s… sick call was at 9 o’clock and he was up with his kid at 10 o’clock shaking me by the hand and saying, „I’ll see you back aboard, Skipper.“ I got him out of there from guns!

After a fellow has completely won the MEST universe, what does he have? He has, God help him, the MEST universe. But these tricks as they twist back and forth follow no good pattern of logic. Your thetan believes earnestly, it is very touching, this… this effect, he will believe consistently and continually and earnestly down to the bitterest day of his death that he has actually been trying to act somewhere within the framework of decency to the allowable uppermost limit. I don’t care whether he’s Pretty Boy Floyd or Mussolini or anyone of the sort. He thinks he had to do what he did when he did it in order to accomplish a goal of a wider level than… you know, he… he… he doesn’t think in terms really of evil goals.

Now, there as some kid that was running the communications information center on a big cruiser; there wasn’t any other officer remaining aboard that cruiser who could run the CIC, Combat Information Center. And uh… that cruiser was hot and heavy, right in the middle of everything. And this kid had to have an operation for a piece of shell fragment, and so on. And they sent him back to the States in a hurry by special plane so they could have him back again because there was a terrible scarcity of good CIC officers. And the second he said to ‘em, unfortunately, „I’m necessary aboard my ship,“ the last I heard he’d been there 14 months.

He’s… he sort of gets this way and he gets that way and he gets his values assigned some other way and he gets these things crossed up. And he tries to figure out this riddle. And maybe he hasn’t got a very good think tank to figure it with.

This is the modus operandi, but don’t take that as… don’t… don’t take what I’m saying as freak. It’s not a freak. I’m not talking about a uh… a peculiar, occasional manifestation. I’m talking about agree. I’m talking about disagree. And when I’m talking about „have me“ and „don’t have me“, I’m talking about time.

And uh… the next thing you know, why, uh… he’s finding himself doing the damnedest things.

So, this individual wants time, he, of course, wants time. He’s got to have, to want time. In order to have time, he’s got to have, you see; he’s got to have an object. He really does have to have an object. If you don’t believe it, try to go on a vacation sometime with not a dime in your jeans. –

Well, to a limited degree he is successful. But all such successes are disposed of and any kind of success is disposed of. The reward of the most successful writer in the whole universe is a loss of his ability to write. The final reward of it.

He wants to have; in other words, he wants time. And what’s he find, the second he does this? The object that he gets disagrees with him so he can’t have any liberty. The second he wants some time, he can’t have liberty. The moment he decides that he wants some time on his hands, he is, at that moment, going to have… the things which he does have become disagreeable. They’re gonna upset, uh… the gaskets are gonna blow and so forth.

The reward of the greatest conqueror that ever rode with sword or tank or rocket wagon across the stars or across the steppes or any place else was not just six feet of earth. It was infamy, utter debased infamy. It didn’t matter what he started out to do. He wound up doing about 180 degrees different.

It isn’t anything mysterious. Don’t look at this as something mysterious that sits in back of something or other and it depends on chance. A roulette wheel is chance; this is not chance. This is the way it works.

So remember this when you look at your preclear. You’re looking at a puzzle that every time an individual started to go in one direction to meet a goal, the game was so rigged that he wound up with a… just exactly the opposite polarity of goal.

So he’s got to have in order to have more time in order to do this and that. He sends away to Sears & Roebuck in order to get one of these whirligig windmill machines that will run a storage battery so he can have lights in his house, and he spends a lot of time lighting this thing up. Then he’ll have some time to read at night, and he’s got this up, see, and he won’t have to waste all that time filling that lamp or lighting that candle or striking that match and reading that book page. And he sends all this away, and what’s he spend the rest of his time doing? Keeps climbing that tower and fixing that propellor and going down the tower, and so forth, and by golly, he never has any time to read.

That which a person works hardest on, he winds up having. That’s one of the fundamentals of this universe. That to which he devotes energy, he finally has. How do you work this out?

You see, he doesn’t get an agreeable time; he gets… he gets some time, all right.

Matter is condensed energy. So therefore, if you keep pouring out energy on something you will eventually have it. I mean, it’s just as simple as that. It’s just horribly simple.

Now, what would he have if he says, „Now, I don’t have to… I don’t have to have any… I don’t need that. I… I don’t need that at all. Let’s see, I’ll get along with what we have and the hell with it. Ah, well, make, ah… what we got do, and we don’t want any of this other stuff.“ Actually, the riches of the universe pour in on his head. Everything around him starts saying, „Have me, have me, have me; ga… how about me?“ That’s… that’s the way she works.

Now we’ll get a group that is, you see, we… we’re actually in a very strange situation. That’s why I can speak up well in advance of your own experience on this line is I… I know what you’ll find.

So, if he has… if he… if he wants time – and he, by the way, unfortunately, gets all kinds of time, because the universe says, „Have me“. So either way you look at it, you get flypaper. You see, there’s no… no way out of the flypaper. If you decide not to have with the universe and disagree with it thoroughly and rush against it and disagree the hell out of it, it says, „Come to Papa.“ And if you say, „I agree with you, I agree with you,“ and… and uh… all that, and all is well, why, uh… it says, „We don’t want anything to do with you, fellow.“ For every win, there’s a lose; for every lose, there’s a win.

You might sit there; an auditor would say, „My God! Gee, this sure is wild. Boy, how wild can this get.“ Believe me, it can get a lot wilder than I’m talking.

One of the v… very interesting things that you can run with a preclear: he’s loused up on time. What is apathy but too much time? That’s right, it’s energy. It’s too thick a havingness. He’s got too much.

And… and you’ve… you’ve got somebody that every time he had a goal, every time he postulated a goal, he postulated simultaneously his failure in the goal and didn’t know it. Every time he had a goal. We could bust that cycle. We can break it to smithereens.

If you want to take somebody and really cure him of apathy, if he feels that he is in terrible danger and dire straits, the damndest thing: have him take everything he owns, except the shirt he stands in and the pants and shoes he’s wearing, and take it out and throw it away. Regardless what it is or anything else, just have him take it out and dump it and destroy it. And what do you know, he gets lots more space, right away. Instantly, get lots more space.

But get that. He wanted to do this and this. And he’ll find himself finally having accomplished that and that. He will find it now has an opposite meaning.

If you could get a psycho… you could get a psycho to part with one of the Kleenexes in the box of Kleenex which you’ve just presented them, you’re pretty good. Whoa, boy! They’re having a hell of a time.

Let’s take the cops. You wonder why police forces periodically collapse. Why, you’ll have to have the heads of the detectives changed and the… the Chief of Police changed, and all the rest of the… the… the people in the City Hall changed one way or the other. They’re fighting crime, and they were putting energy on crime. And they’re putting energy on crime and they’re putting more energy on crime. And what do they finally have? They have crime. Now, that’s true and could work out this way, you see.

You say, „Part with one word.“ Uh-huh. No, they’re saying, „Agree, agree, I agree, I’ve agreed, I’ve agreed, and my God, I’m getting so rocky I don’t know which end I’m standing on, but I’ve agreed; don’t punish me any further, I can’t stand the pain. Don’t punish me any further, I agree.“ And they wind up by having to have everything which is disagreeable. Everything which is disagreeable then and there happens to them.

If they started putting energy on honesty and put more energy on honesty and… they’d finally have honesty. But they would just have to forget about crime.

You wonder why machinery doesn’t work for some people. Well, there’s nothing mysterious about it. It isn’t anything esoteric you’re examining; it isn’t anything that goes into the firmament in some fashion or another and is tailor-made by some god. This thing’s already been set up. You say to this piece of equipment, „I don’t want you,“ or, „I don’t care what happens to you.“ A null or a flow against and it works. And you say to it, „All right. Now, let’s see. You have to do this and you have to do that to it, and you have to do something else, and we’ll have to take good care of it; we’ll have to wash it and we’ll have to grease it, and we have to paint it and we have to polish it and we have to buy licenses for it, and so forth, and we have to park it out front, and we park it out back,“ and so on. You’ll find out all of a sudden that the payments on it, or something or other, and that is… this, or something or other, and then it needs replacement, because there’s a later model. It won’t take you anyplace, either. It’s always in the garage, or someplace else. It’s fascinating.

You see, a criminal goes down and he busts into a store window, and then… then they… this happens a few times. And the City Council has to pass a law saying, uh… oh, this… this is common throughout the universe, had passed a law that after a certain hour nobody could be on the street, something like that. You… you’re not going to… you’re… you’re part of that town and you’re not going to break into any shop windows. And yet what do you find happening? That during certain hours of the day you find yourself restricted in the space in which you were permitted to move. Why? Because some stupid uh… yap out of some reform school or something of this sort has busted into stores too often. And you are penalized. That is law at work in the universe. Penalties, penalties, penalties.

The thing which you either completely disregard or disagree with will serve.

You don’t have to commit the crime to be subjected to the law. Your group, any member of the group, the foulest member of the group gets the most attention under law. Your newspaper headlines for instance are given to the foulest murderer. They’re not given to the most honest citizen. There could be some citizen who, by his good works and winning ways and a few other things, had really improved the hell out of the town and he is just made an announcement that he’s just improved the devil out of this town.

Now, there’s a level of outflow… there’s a level of outflow which is so low on the tone scale that it is just MEST handling MEST, and that just doesn’t work. Your Japanese officer in the Philippines, for instance, found out a locomotive wouldn’t go, so he had his men beat it with sticks. It didn’t go. It’s just MEST handling MEST. On that level, everything is enMEST. The guy, the object, everything. And you have to go up tone scale a little bit to get this principle very smoothly workable. You can’t take a sledgehammer and smash all the spark plugs of a car in frightful disagreement, and so forth, and have the car function.

And so you look around and they said, „Yes, sir, there’s… there’s 92 acres of park fixed up and the kids have got a playground and… and this will cut down juvenile delinquency and everything else,“ and… and uh… sure he… he’ll… he’ll get some kind of a mention back alongside the obituaries or maybe when he’s dead why they’ll run it as part of the funeral notices and it will be the last line. Of course, much bigger right above it will be the name of the funeral parlor where he’s buried.

Now, the way to handle a car is the way you handle anything else. There is a difference of flows, you understand. If you just differentiate flows, you’re all right. You can put out a sort of a smooth wave to this car and you say, „All right, all right, let’s go, let’s run.“ No gas, no tank, nothing; it turns over. You think I’m kidding.

But uh… this is typical, and so we get what is known as a dwindling spiral. And the dwindling spiral is based upon that principle – that on which one expends energy one has.

You’ve got to come up tone scale a little bit to do that sort of thing, but there’re pieces of equipment around that just absolutely have no business running whatsoever. There’s no business running. And you put ‘em under somebody else’s management, and they won’t run. They just quit, right there. That’s because they were being kept alive with something more than mechanical information.

Now because you can break this cycle and because there is such a thing as auditing, it is quite safe for an auditor to audit. It’s quite safe for an auditor to audit because he can rehabilitate himself. He can knock this stuff out and particularly now with creative processing. The theory of validation processing arose in 1951. It was based on this, I… I concocted it because I saw that the more you validated something, why, the stronger it got, as a basic theory. So let’s see what we validate and start working out on validation processing and sure enough it works.

Now, it’s hard for an engineer… it’s hard for an engineer, as indoctrinated as he is into the workability of structure and mechanics, to recognize or even look at this factor. This is another one of these factors, but by golly, this… it’s just as actual and real as that electric light. MEST works when it has been aligned by theta. You look in the old axioms for homo sapiens, it covers this to a heck of a degree. MEST works as long as it’s been aligned by theta. And as long as the MEST flow that’s going out is aligning, MEST hasn’t… no… I mean, pardon me; the theta flow going out is aligning MEST, MEST doesn’t have a chance in the world. It just has to get into line, that’s all. You get a smooth outgoing flow.

But energy is such that every time you try to go toward a plus or good thing the guy’s bank will flip into a minus and, boy, if you’ve never examined this you’ve got a treat in store. In the E-meters’ uh… boxes Volney has a… a… history of that in the back of the E-Meter manual he’s sending out. Uh… pleasure moments, they’re running a pleasure moment with an E-Meter.

But your engineer building a dam, anyplace he is, knows this, continually: He gets one foreman and all the equipment goes to hell and nothing happens, but obviously he’s a good foreman. He’ll get another foreman and everything runs smooth as a clock. And the difference flowing off of these two men can be sensed by the individual himself.

You say, „Let’s get a time you were eating a steak dinner.“ And the preclear starts to eat a steak dinner and all of a sudden there’s a big drop on the E-Meter. And you say, „What you dropping for on the E-Meter?“

One is gonna get the job done one way or the other, and so on. And the other says, „Yeah, I can do the job.“ He doesn’t necessarily say it without volume, but the MEST lines up. Energy vectors, somebody understands the law of something or other or something like that, he really just enforces into it.

And the fellow says, „Well, I dunno… I’m just… I’m running this incident but I… I’m really not enjoying this steak.“ And you say, „Well, what’s the matter?“

Okay. I hope you understand a little bit more, because you look this over a little bit more, you’re gonna find a lot more there than I’ve written down. I leave it to your wits to figure out the rest of it. Let’s take a break.

„Well, it reminds me of my poor husband.“

And… very interesting, you can’t have any pleasure, you see. Uh… the goal is pleasure so you have pain. The goal is pain, you’ll have pleasure – goes in opposites. So every time you try to run a pleasure moment, any time you try to run a pleasure moment on a pc you’re going to get something or other, and then when you’ve run enough painful moments he’s going to extrovert and he’ll flip up the line, but that’s not breaking the cycle.

The way you break the cycle is to really get what you validate. Put energy on what you want, therefore an auditor really hasn’t got a heck of a lot of business monkeying around too much with psychos and neurotics and… and ills and ailments – why should he?

This is probably a new thought to you, some of you, you’ve got yourself plotted out you’re going to help people. Good, good, nothing wrong with that, except this. This is something like turning a., a uh… 12 cylinder Hispano Suisa uh… loose in order to run between the kitchen and the living room.

Now that’s just one of these minor, minor affairs. You see, once you’ve broken the cycle and you can make the able more able, let’s apply it to you first and let’s make that ability more able than that has ever been able to be able in this universe and let’s… let’s just fix it up so that short-circuits the action of the universe against you.

You’ll win, you’ll win because you’re no longer playing ball with the plus-minus set-up of the MEST universe. Oh, we… we’ve got a nice big win for you. Why, I… I wouldn’t uh… we got a nice big win for you, here it is, here it is, now you’ve got it? Well, what do you know? You’ve lost. I mean that’s typical. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised one of these fine days to see all sorts of… of… of… ships and beautiful women and cargoes of gold, and diamonds and pearls being flown… flown in here just like mad with ferry services and… and governments of the world trying to buy you off. The natural impulse is to halt an operation which will break the cycle called MEST universe.

Oh, man, the guys who are being the most victimized by it are trying the hardest to keep it ticking, keep it ticking. All you’ve got to do is just step off that line. Just step off that endless belt, and just… just skip its idea of every time you win you’ve got to lose and every time you lose there’s some win connected with it and it’s all parity and that sort of thing. You can actually turn around just off of that use of creative processing and the rehabilitation of your own universe and your own capabilities. You can turn around and you can make this universe do anything you want it to do. It will do anything you want it to do, if you want it to do anything.

Now we wonder… we wonder about this – can you really reverse the vectors on the MEST universe? You sure can. You sure can, but don’t think you’re going to do it without a screaming, smoking flash because there… it’s not a mild one. But you see you’re playing the MEST universe’s game. All this is too incredible. No… nobody believes it. What do you know.

Supposing you, as a group, suddenly decided to wipe out crime in the United States. Supposing you just decided to do that. Now you devoted your attention to crime and so forth, well, you know the MEST universe’s rules of opposites. You’d know you’d have to put your attention on honesty in order to wipe out crime. So you’d take all the criminals and you would make sure that they made sure that they set an example of honesty so everybody would be honest.

That sounds strange but that’s what you would do. It would be a very successful program. Uh… you would just put the police, you would put the police in cages so to speak. And you would… you would set the criminals up so that uh… the criminals up so that the criminals were very sure that uh,. they weren’t fighting crime, they were just making sure that everybody was being honest.

You could form an organization with… not even with Scientology, but just something like Alcoholics Anonymous uh… which would uh… make every criminal responsible for one more criminal or something of that sort, just treat it as a disease and it would work out right there without any processing. You could end crime. You could end it utterly. And uh… you can win is what I’m trying to tell you, because you start tracking back with your preclear through he was here and he was there and he was shifted someplace else and his identity was so-and-so and he owned – the hell he did, the MEST universe never let go of anything yet.

After a fellow has built something out of the MEST universe, it still belongs to the MEST universe. He’s maybe got a label on it but that’s an identification. It just says it’s MEST. And so he goes on with this endless chain and he gets nothing when he finally finishes; there is no reward.

And as a net result we have, when we look this picture over there, we… we see that an individual in order to win has to get off the treadmill of the win-lose built-in little gimickgahoojit in the MEST universe. He… he has to get off of that treadmill because it is pure deception. And when I tell you about some preclear being… being flipped from this body into that body and elsewhere and this being done and that being done and he getting ‘tween lives and he’s given goals and he’s given missions, he’s supposed to do this and he makes products, all that sort of thing – every one of those is a trick and a trap. You’ll have what you devote energy to, but remember that it’s your own energy you’re devoting to it and it doesn’t necessarily belong to the MEST universe at all.

When you devote your own energy to it, you’re going to have something worth having, but when you insist on having that energy handed to you by the MEST universe, you’ll wind up with trash – every time. So what I’m trying to stress here is the confusion that’s the MEST universe is not even uh… important anymore to address even vaguely. All you have to do is rehabilitate the individual’s ability to handle his own and make his own space and energy. And only then can he or you be sure what is happening.

In a moment, next hour, I will cover… I will cover these contradictory flows to show you how the MEST universe flows are set up and what’s wrong with them.

Now let’s take a break.